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This one is a slight change to the typical 419 scams. It seems to be based around some money being deposited into a security company for a company that claims that I've won a large chunk of cash... Somehow I doubt it very much but I'm willing to play along to see where it goes.
Mon 14th July GRAND GLOBAL LOTTO PROMO LOTTERY, TO THE MANAGER FROM: THE DESK OF THE PROMOTIONS MANAGER, ATTENTION: MR LAR LARSON For due processing and remittance of your prize money to a designated
account of your choice. Remember, all prize NOTE: In order to avoid unnecessary delays and complications, please remember to quote your reference and batch numbers in every one of your correspondences with your agent. Furthermore, should there be any change of your address, do inform your claims agent as soon as possible. Congratulations again from all our staff and thank you for being part of our promotions program.
N.B. Any breach of confidentiality on the part of the winners will result to disqualification. SORRY FOR THE LATE INFORMATION THANKS |
Having read the blurb on the left would you not be suspicious ? I have to say they've went to a lot of trouble with the codes, numbers and everything else. Sort of looks official doesn't it ? Doesn't it ?
The strange thing was it came into my africanschemers@ email address that I've only ever posted on one place....
A quick check where this email originated from and its from - Germany, not Amsterdam They're using an IP address from person: Denny Schenkrich
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Mon 14th July Lars, I received my notification of win - can you advise of my next step
to Regards
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Do I sound greedy enough for me to be taken seriously ?
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Mon 14th July ATT. SIR/MADAM. WE ARE IN RECEIPT OF YOUR MAIL CONCERNING YOUR WON PRIZE.WE ARE SORRY FOR THE LATE INFORMATION. WE WILL LIKE YOU TO FORWARD TO THIS OFFICE YOUR ADDRESS , FOR RECORD
PURPOSES , TO AVOILD COUNTER CLAIM OF YOUR WON PRIZE. Mr William Van Brook Te + 31xxxxxxxxxx Fax + 31xxxxxxxxxxxx CONTACT THE BANK AND THE ACOUNT OFFICER , TELL WILL DIRECT YOU ON HOW
TO CLAIM YOUR WON PRIZE MONEY. YOUR FAITHFULLY MR LAR LARSON
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Oooh sounds legitimate enough for me...
I'll give them a call tommorow and see what the story is.... |
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Tues 15th July Well I gave Lars a call, and a pleasant conversation it was. Lars, strange as it may seem does have definite West African accent. When I first phoned he was in a "meeting" and he would call me back. To his credit - he did, to my dodgy number. I called him back and asked what the next steps are as I was making a claim on the funds. He explained that I needed to fax the batch numbers to him to make my claim. Oh dear I don't have a fax machine so did he have an email address I could use. Of course, he then explained 5 times what the email address was... lets just say he doesn't know how to spell oceanicbank@xxxxxxx.com |
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Thurs 17th July F.A.O Lars Larson |
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Thurs 17th July ATTENTION: STEVE, AFTER OBTIANING THE CLEARANCE, THE ACCOUNTS DEPARTMENT WILL START THE
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Less than twenty minutes after sending the message above and I've got a standard reply from Ocean.
All in uppercase letters - aargh I hate that..
Stam duties ? Whats a Stam
Ohhhh its refundable is it - sounds fine to me then - no risk, I'll get my money back. Yeh right !. 1270 Euros means £893 in real money or $1425 in those American things..What sort of legal company is this that wants payment up front ? All the legal companies I've used have provided the invoice at the end of the transaction Probably not a real address - anyone in Amsterdam care to see if its valid or even get a photo of it ?
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Fri 18th July Monica, I'll have to locate a Western Union office as I don't believe there
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Fri 18th July ATTENTION: STEVE, YOU HAVE TO LOOK FOR A WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER TO ENABLE THE LAWYER MR ABU PATRICK PLEASE MAKE THIS PAYMENT TODAY AND CALL ON THE DIRECTOR FOR THE MTCN
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AAAAAAAAargh more uppercase letters... |
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Fri 18th July Monica, Do you have to type in uppercase letters - it makes it very hard to read and gives me a sore head. The nearest Western Union office that I know of is in London which as I've said is 60 miles away. I'll have to go there on Monday instead. It does seem very strange that a legal company is expecting payment upfront. Normal legal work is payment at the end where the legal fees can be deducted from any proceeds that comes the clients way. Never having transferred money via western union previosly - do I need to tell them which office you'll be picking up the money from ? Regards |
Lets see if she / he takes any notice of my plea.
All i'll provide them with is the ten digit number that western union use. That will at least waste their time going down to the WU office. |
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Fri 18th July Attention: mr steve, |
See - it does work if you ask them to use lower case...
I emailed them back with my "telephone number"... |
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Monday 21st July So I called them back this morning. An African voice answered, I asked to speak to the Director, he asked me who was calling. Mr Steve Thompson I said. He responds with Director speaking. (Strange....) He pushes me for the payment for the lawyers, so I ask him what kind of legal firm is he using that asks for money upfront ? He sidesteps the question and says that they've already started on my file ( What file - what information etc....they only know my name and telephone number).... I promise that I'll be off to Western Union today so will be able to give them a transaction number to keep them happy. I promise to call back at about 4pm. I've got no plans to. |
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Tues 22nd July William, I transferred the money yesterday afternoon through Western Union (once I'd registered with them) amount totals £898.60 (1270 Euros) + the commision charge. The number they gave me was 8972435589 Please advise when funds are recieved. Regards |
I still don't have a WU slip - so if you've got an old one...you know where to email it..
The number is made up (as it would be). |
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Tues 22nd July, ATTENTION:STEVE THOMPSON, CALL ME AS YOU RECEIVE THIS MAIL |
I get a strange voice mail from them saying that they will be closing the office at 11:00am could I give them a call - however almost immediately I get this email.. When he says the lawyer, I'm guessing that its one and the same guy. I can't be bothered speaking to him today....well let him stew, let see if we can get him to back to the Western Union office again today. |
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Tues 22rd July William, Thanks for your note - As I explained earlier - I don't have access to a fax machine but I'll confirm the numbers again just in case my previous email was incorrect. 8972435589. I'm tied up in meetings this afternoon but will call you asap Regards |
I get a phone message which sounds like William Van Brook out and about (probably just outside the Western Union office) saying that the numbers are incorrect and can I call him with the numbers.
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Tues 22nd July .MR STEVE, |
Oh dear - he's gone to the office three times today ? Why ? |
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Tues 22nd July William, I've probably missed you for the evening but I've just came out of
my The senders name is Steve Thompson, The validation number is : 8972435589 Please let me know if this has not been validated and I'll enquire
at the Regards |
Do I feel cruel for wasting their time ? No. |
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Wed 23rd July ATTENTION: STEVE, PLEASE KINDLY GO TO THE WESTERN UNION AND FIND OUT WHAT IS THE PROBLEM PLEASE LOOK FOR WHERE YOU CAN SEND THE RECEIPT TO ME BY FAX ASP WITH
THIS THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND I WAIT FOR YOUR CALL. |
Oh dear - that makes four trips he's had to make... what a shame... |
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Wed 23rd July William, I returned to the WU office this morning to complain about the transaction. They queried their system and advised that they have had problems over the last three days with the system that generates the numbers not correctly allocated to the transactions. After about 20 minutes, they had managed to locate the transaction and amended it manually so that a new reference number was allocated. They advised that about 15 other people had already complained about missing funds. The transaction details are the same but the new number is 8973554289 Please advise how you get on with this one. Regards |
Lets see if we can make it five trips.. |
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Thur 24th July ATTENTION: STEVE THOMPSON PLEASE KINDLY SEND YOUR CELL PHONE NUMBERS TO ME SO THAT I WILL BE ABLE
TO THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND GOD BLESS YOU. MR WILLIAM VAN BROOK and a second email - within an hour of the first one... SUBJECT : NOTTING WAS FOUND ATTENTION:STEVE, |
So it sounds like Mr Patrick went there five times :)
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I pick up a voice mail message from mr Van Brook - saying that the lawyer was yet again unable to withdraw the money could I call him... So I decide to call William Van Brook to discuss what the problem is he's having at his end... He starts all nice saying that the lawyer had been there again this morning and was unable to get the money. He then explains that the problem must be at my end since they had a problem yesterday at the WU office. I explain that I had been down there this morning at 11:00 to confirm the funds were available for transfer. Given the problems they had yesterday it was the least I could do. :) I explain the problem must be at their end as it shows up okay on the computer system this end. But Mr Van Brook is having none of it - the problem must be at my end. This ping pong approach to problem resolution (the problems at my end, his end, my end) goes on for about 2 minutes when he starts getting irate. (Excellent :) ) He starts his sentences with the LISTEN.... LISTEN TO ME.... So I have to come back with something - I opt for Mr William Van Brook - will YOU listen to ME.... and I start my rant. It seems we agree to disagree. But wait - does he have an ace up his sleeve - by some magical co-incidence the lawyer is there and he would like to speak to me. Mr Abu Patrick is certainly another person, however he's another African. He then explains the sob story of his five trips to the WU office to no avail. I then get into the rant mode explaining the problems at their end. He then joins the ping pong game (we must be playing doubles but I don't have a partner). It seems that the problem is at my end. Oh dear, what will I do about it. At this time a Nokia mobile (polyphonic) is ringing near to his telephone and rings for about 20 rings while we play ping pong - perhaps another person likely to get scammed ? I promise to go back to the WU office to check again (again surely implies that I've done something before ?) and will call them back but in the interim I will send them a scanned copy of the receipt that Western Union gave me for the money. He doesn't want it and just wants me to check with the local office. He's going to get it whether he wants it or not, unfortunately for him it's going to be a 2MB high resolution scan of a receipt I now have my hands on. Lets hope he's on dial up. :) I ask him for his mobile number - I should call him on the same number - as he'll be there for about 30 minute. When I point out that I'll be at least two hours and I can call him on his mobile - then all of sudden he's going to be there for 2 hours so I should still call him on the same number. |
Many, many, many thanks to Steve O'Shea for the link to the receipt |
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Thurs 24th July I will head back to Western Union however in the interim here is
a scanned copy of the receipt I have.
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Thurs 24th July Well I called him back and got Abu Patrick on the phone. He didn't understand when I said that the office had checked and that the funds were available. I repeated it twice and then spoke to William. I explained that they had checked the system and that the fund were indeed available to be retrieved. "Was it the same number ?" Oh yes, "Are you sure ? " Oh yes... Very good, he's going to get the secretary to check and collect it.
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How can the secretary check and collect it - you need to have identification on who is going to collect it. It can only be collected by Abu Patrick. I have a sneaking suspsicion that I'm going to get an irate telephone phone call explaining that I've been wasting their time. We'll see. |
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Fri 25th July "Mr Thompson" the voice boomed into my voice mailbox, "Payment could not be cleared". "This is Mr William Van Brook, we have checked the computer and there is nothing in there", "There is nothing there". He continued complaining about the lack of funds for a while then explained how I should get my money back and then go to another office or use some other money transfer office and use them
Fri 25th July 10:53 MR STEVE, INFACT I DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON BECAUSE I
DONT THINK THE WESTERN UNION SENT THE MONEY YOU GAVE TO THEM BECAUSE I
HAD TO LIVE MY OFFICE YESTERDAY TOGETHER WITH TE LAWYER AND THE MONEY
IS NOT THERE, WE ALSO CALL WESTERN UNION MONEY TRANSFER CUSTOMERS SERVICE
AND THEY SAID THERE IS NOTTING LIKE THAT. Mon 28th July (Sent this message to me three times...!!) STEVE, |
Since I've been away all weekend (since Friday) I've been unable to do any scamming so I've just let them lie. I've also got my hands on a tape unit that will record my telephone calls - just need to figure out how to get it into my PC and create the MP3's |
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Mon 28th July William, |
Sent him this - As he sends them to me in uppercase this one was sent in uppercase. I've converted it (Isn't Word a great product) so you can read it without straining your eyes.
You'll know by now that I've never visited a WU office let along got any money from them but I thought it might annoy him that I've got something out of it and he hasn't |
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Tues 29th July steve, thank you very much and GOD bless you.
steve, we are still waiting fro your fax messege, thank you very much and act
fast
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Wed 30th July William, I received your voice message just prior to me leaving the office
this morning for a series of meetings. To say I was frustrated is an understatement.
I delayed my meeting and went in past the western union office with the
receipt and got them to check if the number was valid. I explained the
problems we had had in the past couple of days and wanted They did and it was- I don't understand why you're having so much problems in receiving the money. Can you confirm that with your local office again. I'm getting annoyed overall at the lack of professionalism that is
being shown in this transaction by both your organisation and with Western
Union. I've never once encountered a legal company who requires funds
upfront to do Just to reconfirm the MCTN number - 9754023452 Please advise Regards |
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Wed 30th July MR STEVE, |
By this time the subject line is getting rather long - it currently stands at : Re:Re: Re:Re: MOST URGENT |
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Thurs 31st July William, I've explained I don't know how many times we don't use fax machines. I have however rescanned the western union slip to enable the lawyer to get his money to proceed. I can't believe that Western Union and your company as so incompetant.
I hope this time you'll be able to get the money out - it's been checked
twice at different Western Union offices that the funds are available
and Let me know how you get on. I would expect to see some paperwork from lawyers promptly Regards
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Again the file to him was rather large :) It's only 27K to you...
Can we get him to go to the Western Union office yet again ? |
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Thur 31st July Attention: steve thompson, |
Sounds like they went there and there was nothing again - oh dear... :) |
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Thurs 31st July William, If you're still having problems getting the money out I will do just
that. I'll get my admin assistant to check out flights for early next week as it seems like the best time if that's okay. Regards |
I'm going to try and get them to collect me from the airport at the same time as someone from another scam are looking to collect me also on the same flight. Anyone live in Amsterdam (or near by) and fancy a trip to Schipol one evening with a digital camera next week perhaps ? I can arrange the time to suit. If so please email be on the addy at the top. Thanks |
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Mon 4th Aug William, I've done as requested and retrieved my money from Western Union (and after much argument got compensated for their incompetance). I've made initial travel plans to Amsterdam early on Thursday evening as the earliest time I can arrive there, can you confirm that this would be suitable. Can someone from your company meet me at the airport ?
Regards |
Righto - time to get them to the airport on Thursday evening to meet with me (nope) and the scammers from the other scam that's on the go at the moment - Joseph.
The address is the old public records building in London. |
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Tues 5th August ATTENTION STEVE, BE INFORMED THAT YOU ARE DIRECTED TO COME DOWN WITH THE FOLLOWING ITEMS 3. OPENING OF AN OFFSHORE ACCOUNT: €1,660 EUROS 4. STAMP DUTY FEES: €1,270 EUROS
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Ooooooooo look the price has gone up - initially it was €1,270 which was refundable - now it seems that it's not any more.
However it may be a nice delaying tactic to try and coordinate this, Joseph and another scammers meet all in Amsterdam airport on another date (probably the 11th) |
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Tues 5th August Monica, Given the amounts involved here it's going to take me more than a day or two to get these amounts together. I already have the €1270 but will be required to divest some of my investments to get the rest. Can you delay the meeting perhaps until say Monday 11th ? That will give me till the end of the week to clear some accounts. Apologies for any inconvience caused - please give my regards and apologies to Mr Brook. I will reschedule my travel plans to complete the transaction on the 11th. In the interim - if it will help speed up the process - I'll scan
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Thurs 7th August SIR, |
I called back on Thursday morning and got someone on the phone giving me a message - call back in two hours. I did, can you guess what was next - call back in two hours. I didn't - I called back in four and the lines constantly engaged. | ||||
Thurs 7th August Monica, I've been trying to reach William for two days now and keep getting a message to say to call back in two hours. I called again today and got the same message. I've just tried and I'm getting a constant busy signal. I've scheduled my plans to arrive in Amsterdam on the BA0042 arriving at 20:00 on Monday 11th. I've no idea how long the process will take so I've booked an open return ticket. I'll be down the bank this afternoon / tommorow morning to arrange the necessary funds to complete this transaction. I will try William again tommorow morning to arrange our meeting. Can you book a local hotel near your offices for me and is it possible someone from your organisation could meet me at the airport ? Regards Steve |
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Fri 8th August SUBJECT : WHY IS THAT WE CANNOT REACH YOU BY PHONE? ATTENTION: STEVE, PLEASE THIS IS TO INFORM YOU THAT WE HAVE BEEN CALLING YOU AND CANNOT PLEASE LET US HAVE IT NOW. THANK YOU VERY MUCH |
oh oh - the capital letters are on again... |
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Fri 8th August Monica, One of the reasons you cannot reach me by phone is why we implemented
voice mail in the first place. We run a large production plant and I'm
generally never at my desk and can be found either in meetings or out
on the shop I plan on leaving the UK on Monday night. I'll try and call you on Monday morning - I know I have an afternoon meeting offsite to attend to. Regards |
I think this is a plausible excuse why I'm never at my desk... Lets see what they respond with.
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Sat 9th August STEVE, PLEASE WE WILL LIKE YOU TO FOWARD TO THIS OFFICE YOUR REFERENCE NUMBERS
AND PLEASE SEND THE WHOLE DETAILS ABOUT THE WINNINGS TO THIS OFFICE TO ENABLE WE HAVE ALREADY MADE ANOTHER PLANS FOR YOU TO RECEIVE YOUR FUNDS WITHOUT THANK YOU VERY MUCHAAND PLEASE WE NEED TO YOUR TELEPHONE NUMBERS, HOW
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Are you sitting comfortably, then I'll begin...
Looks like I'll have to call them on Monday morning anyway - no doubt they will want to call me back which is fine as I'll use another dummy phone that I have spare so he can call me back.
I've already sent this - why does he need it again...
Okay, I'd scanned it and sent it but he would prefer a black and white copy - eejit.
Do you think he's upset and I say he becasue I'm sure that Monica is the same as William. Perhaps just at the weekend he's a cross dresser ? I'll send him a note first thing (about 5am Monday morning) and then give him a call on Monday mid morning. To see what he says. I'm actually out of the country on Monday night so I hope that he sends someone to Amsterdam to meet me - Joseph (the other scam) and his guys seem ready to meet me. Oh what fun - I'll have to wait a week to get the abusive emails which I'm sure will be fun. |
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Being out of the country for a week screwed up this one unfortunately... However that does mean one thing for you... Mr William Van Brook is on + 31-630 978181, their fax number is + 316-47-848-429 (also a mobile) and another fax number is + 316 1993 6986 Not that I would suggest that you phone them up and tell them what you think of their scamming tactics nor what you think they should do with them. Oh no, I'd never say that. Enjoy. |
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